From nicholas@uci.edu Thu Sep 20 13:15:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 20 Sep 2001 20:15:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 62551 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 20:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2001 20:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 20:15:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26180; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: Dumb answers to good questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS cu'u la .aulun >Hebrew "davka" (dvkh) or Yiddish "davke" (dvvk') have similar >counterparts in German. >davka: "gerade", desto trotz, "ausgerechnet" Oh, now I'm with you. I was always amused that the German translation of the TV series "Northern Exposure" was "Alaska ausgerechnet" --- "Alaska, of all places!" (which, from what little I remember of it, was pretty much Joel Fleischman's constant reaction.) Now, there, it's more like {jectrxalaska .ue}; but of course, there, it isn't even a complete sentence to distinguish focus from theme in. >Don't think that Lojban has a word for this purpose, but why not use {fa, >fe, fi, fo, fu} positioning for it? (the Book is mentioning this!) Does the book explicitly say that positioning has such theme-rheme effects? I know that in natural languages, that's the real reason you shuffle word order (which is why journalistic Greek has always seemed to me unnatural --- they don't do it); but it's not actually The Lojban Way to leave this without an explicit marker... -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing I REJECT {gumri} nicholas@uci.edu (Lojban Wiki, Resurrected Gismu)