From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Sep 20 15:09:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 20 Sep 2001 22:09:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 13576 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 22:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 20 Sep 2001 22:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 22:09:46 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (209-8-89-124.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.124]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8KM9iJ03076 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010920180256.00dd8340@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:06:41 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] META : Who is everyone (and what are they saying) In-Reply-To: <01b901c141ec$58c9ec00$95b4003e@oemcomputer> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010919182430.00e58220@pop.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 05:52 PM 9/20/01 +0200, Adam Raizen wrote: >la lojbab. cusku di'e > > > At 02:00 AM 9/19/01 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > >As for {ckaji le ka daplu}, can something that is not daplu > > >have the property of being daplu? I can't see any difference > > >between {ko'a daplu} and {ko'a ckaji le ka ce'u daplu}. > > > > Which is one reason why I haven't bought into the current concept of > > ka. Using the ideas of fuzzy logic it is quite possible for >something to > > display some of the characteristics of ce'u broda, but not all of >them. > >What is the difference? If x has the property of 'ka ce'u daplu' to >degree .8, then 'xy. daplu' is true to degree .8, just as 'xy. ckaji >le ka ce'u daplu' is. Since I did not think of lo ka ce'u daplu as singular, but rather a mass or enumeration of the usually-multiple qualities that something needs in order to fit in the x1 of daplu, it doesn't seem to make sense to "be characterized by .8 of a property". Certainly it is possible to redefine the language to fit one theory or a nother, but that isn't the way I used it, nothing more or less. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org