From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Sep 21 17:33:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 22 Sep 2001 00:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 19033 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2001 00:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 22 Sep 2001 00:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Sep 2001 00:33:32 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.40.171]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010922003331.TUVM20588.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:33:31 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] A revised ce'u proposal involving si'o Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:32:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010917232212.00dc2ef0@pop.cais.com> Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" Lojbab: > At 01:43 AM 9/17/01 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > >si'o1 = x1 has the idea of x2* being the case > > I would say that > x1 has the idea of x2 being a (potential) property of the universe (for > arbitrary ce'u) Well "si'o1" was my attempt at characterizing pc's version of si'o, so I won't argue. However, pc's version involves no ce'u. > Arbitrary in that I concede that a si'o may focus on the relationships of > other things to a particular sumti, as in the ka sumti that have been much > discussed, but that one cannot identify which sumti are being focused on > without a ce'u and that the default is probably not focusing on any place > in particular (which would need to be represented by ce'u in all places or > preferably in none). I understand 0% of this, & cannot guess what "arbitrary ce'u" might mean. > My concept of "ka" may be the fazi'o version of this. If you are saying that ka = zi'o se si'o, then that accords not with pc but with si'o2, my unpassionately-made proposal, which Nick and Jorge and Xod liked. --And.