From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Sep 25 09:56:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 25 Sep 2001 16:56:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16567 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 16:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Sep 2001 16:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 16:40:43 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (143.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.143]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8PGeg822428 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010925123638.00def180@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:37:33 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Dumb answers to good questions In-Reply-To: <2f.1b320c6f.28e11ee1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 07:42 PM 9/24/01 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/24/2001 5:39:42 PM Central Daylight Time, >lojbab@lojban.org writes: >> >And anyway, lojban marks other things 'structurally' rather than by >> attaching >> >cmavo. An example is quantifier scope -- an interesting example, because >> >several years ago we had big discussions about adding cmavo to mark scope >> >and the proposals fizzled out for lack of advocates. >> >>"That's the way JCB did it". For more details, I defer to pc. > >Who is staying out of this because 1) he doesn't see a lot of point to it >once we have half a dozen ways to give contrastive value to one part over >another 2) the issue seem entirely rhetorical, not logical 3) he doesn't >understand (nor care much about) the distinctions being made as they are >made 4) he can't remember or find any precedents on the issue beyond those >already raised by some and dismissed by others on some grounds or >other. JCB mainly used the equivalent of {ba'e} as far as I can remember >-- and his {ba'e} could be very loud indeed. I was referring to the quantifier scope issue, not the focus issue. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org