From rob@twcny.rr.com Tue Sep 25 13:13:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 25 Sep 2001 20:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 81775 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 19:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 25 Sep 2001 19:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.125) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 19:58:09 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id f8PJv9H16769 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:57:08 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 15lyKk-0000G0-00 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:57:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:57:34 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] zipf computations & experimental cmavo Message-ID: <20010925155734.B828@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <01092514090209.01147@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01092514090209.01147@neofelis> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:09:02PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2001 10:57, And Rosta wrote: > > There still remains the question of how to zipf down long lujvo whose > > syllablecount is excessive relative to their frequency, but Type IV fuhivla > > might provide a solution here. > > I agree (e.g. noltrube'a -> noltube, not that I think we should actually > shorten noltrube'a). The hard part (or one of the hard parts) about zipfing > lujvo is getting a representative sample of usage. Most of us have occasion > to use {la'edi'u} in whatever we write about; not many of us will need > {glaukysedyterjo'e}, but if we do need to talk about them, we will use the > word a lot in one article. > > (owlhead joint: a device that can turn through at least a complete circle, > but not rotate indefinitely, used for mounting radio antennas and the like) If you're writing an article about owlhead joints, you should do yourself a favor and introduce the word with {goi GSJ}. There's no need for extra cmavo there. As for {la'edi'u}, I can see a cmavo like {lai'u} arising. -- la rab.spir noi sarji ZG