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Subject: Re: [lojban] Set of answers encore
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From: "Adam Raizen" <araizen@newmail.net>

la .and cusku di'e

> Lojban needs an unambiguous way of distinguishing between
>
> 'intensional believe': x1 has the thought that x2 is the case
>
> and
>
> 'extensional believe': The states of affairs that x1 believes
obtain include x2

How about 'jinvi', 'djuno', 'krici', 'tugni', 'sarxe', etc. all
default to extensional, and then the intensional sense can be had with
a tanru or lujvo using 'pensi' (or maybe 'te sidbo'). If x both
extensionally believes that y and also thinks about or forms an idea
about y then x intensionally believes that y, no?

mu'o mi'e .adam.