From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Sep 28 14:55:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 28 Sep 2001 21:55:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 61467 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 21:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Sep 2001 21:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 21:55:21 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.88.199]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010928215518.CGUP23687.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:55:18 +0100 Reply-To: To: "lojban" Subject: RE: [lojban] Set of answers encore Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <05eb01c1479d$62ecacc0$d8b5003e@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" Adam: > la .and cusku di'e > > > Lojban needs an unambiguous way of distinguishing between > > > > 'intensional believe': x1 has the thought that x2 is the case > > > > and > > > > 'extensional believe': The states of affairs that x1 believes > obtain include x2 > > How about 'jinvi', 'djuno', 'krici', 'tugni', 'sarxe', etc. all > default to extensional, and then the intensional sense can be had with > a tanru or lujvo using 'pensi' (or maybe 'te sidbo'). If x both > extensionally believes that y and also thinks about or forms an idea > about y then x intensionally believes that y, no? Well, pc and Jorge and John seem to think the default is intensional, and I don't disagree with them, so for 'extensional' I have suggested, following pc, making the x2 {da poi go ke'a jetnu gi }, which I think solves all immediate problems that look soluble. --And.