From thinkit8@lycos.com Fri Sep 28 22:43:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: thinkit8@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 29 Sep 2001 05:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 69819 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 05:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 29 Sep 2001 05:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 05:43:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: thinkit8@lycos.com Received: from [10.1.2.109] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2001 05:43:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 05:43:53 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: periodic hexadecimal reminder Message-ID: <9p3n2p+8msr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1308 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.255.70 From: thinkit8@lycos.com --- In lojban@y..., Jay Kominek wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Craig wrote: >=20 > > Seeing as lojban has already chosen to use a higher base than=20 would be > > neutral, why not go to hex? I had felt that decimal was neutral,=20 though I > > had not known how ancient Egypt counted, but I like higher bases=20 because > > when you have to say out every digit as in lojban they are much=20 less > > verbose. My pgp key id in Lojban: in hex it is=20 mugaicidaupaxeizevo, but in > > decimal it is pamuvozeciparezemuxa - 8 vs 10 syllables. And the=20 difference > > is greater with larger numbers. >=20 > Obviously then, we should use base 64. >=20 > Or maybe base 85? >=20 > Hrm. Or possibly base 128, with huffman compression? >=20 > Ah! >=20 > Base 1343! >=20 > We can use all the gismu, in alphabetical order, as digits! >=20 > Wait. We can use all the cmavo, too! >=20 > So, base 1938! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Where do you draw the line, and why is your line better? >=20 > - Jay Kominek > Plus =C3=A7a change, plus c'est la m=C3=AAme chose it's pretty simple. 16 is a power of 2. 8 is too, but the exponent=20 is not itself a power of 2. 4 is nice, however--i should look into=20 those egyptians. 4 is actually very intrinsic to us--being the base=20 of our DNA. 16 is the most usable of all these, though.