From pycyn@aol.com Sat Sep 29 18:43:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 30 Sep 2001 01:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 16446 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 01:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2001 01:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 01:43:32 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.107.6582cff (4588) for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <107.6582cff.28e7d2bd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:43:25 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] zo'e interpretation To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_107.6582cff.28e7d2bd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_107.6582cff.28e7d2bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/29/2001 7:42:03 PM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@ntlworld.com writes: > While accepting that such moves aren't part of Lojban, I am > nonetheless a proponent of such moves, and I don't accept that they > can't be stuck to. I won't go into details of what I propose, but > the essence is that the zo'e is interpreted so as to be equivalent > to the weakest possible claim, and that the weakest possible claim > Well, they don't seem to get stuck to so far (can't even get people to decide on what to do with {ce'u} in {ka}). Taking {zo'e} as a mere existential quantifier or so can be strengthened griceanly, but that will not be the sort of thing that is wanted, because gricean solution are just the sort of thing that the restorers don't like: they are contextual and depend upon the belief web. --part1_107.6582cff.28e7d2bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/29/2001 7:42:03 PM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@ntlworld.com writes:


While accepting that such moves aren't part of Lojban, I am
nonetheless a proponent of such moves, and I don't accept that they
can't be stuck to. I won't go into details of what I propose, but
the essence is that the zo'e is interpreted so as to be equivalent
to the weakest possible claim, and that the weakest possible claim
can be griceanly strengthened until it achieves relevance.


Well, they don't seem to get stuck to so far (can't even get people to decide on what to do with {ce'u} in {ka}). Taking {zo'e} as a mere existential quantifier or so can be strengthened griceanly, but that will not be the sort of thing that is wanted, because gricean solution are just the sort of thing that the restorers don't like: they are contextual and depend upon the belief web. --part1_107.6582cff.28e7d2bd_boundary--