From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Oct 01 11:22:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 1 Oct 2001 18:20:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 78665 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2001 18:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 1 Oct 2001 18:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Oct 2001 18:22:45 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:59:53 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:31:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:30:59 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: new brivla (was: Re: [lojban] Set of answers encore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta >>> 10/01/01 05:41pm >>> #(Oh, and I don't think even {du'u} creates an intensional environment, it'= s=20 #all done with selbri) It's 'caused' by the selbri, but you can't express it without du'u. IOW, the selbri causes the du'u sumti to be intensional, but nondu'u sumti = of that selbri would not be intensional. Maybe somebody could express this clearer. I'm tired. --And.