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To: lojban <lojban@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: noxemol ce'u
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From: And Rosta <arosta@uclan.ac.uk>

>>> <pycyn@aol.com> 10/01/01 05:41pm >>>
arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes:
#> Well hey, that was only my guess at how you'd use the lujvo to say
#> "the mother-of function": I see now that unresolved confusion about
#> which gadri/quantifiers to use with nei/no'a may have caused a
#> problem, so rephrase to:
#>=20
#> "da poi ro de ke'a se -function ro mamta be de"
#>=20
#> =3D "something x such that x is a function from every y to every mother =
of y"
#>=20
#> And tinker with it until it satisfies you.
#
#But I told you how I would use it the first time. Why {ro mamta}, is ther=
e=20
#more than one? If so, how is this a function? Otherwise you are getting=
=20
#around to my usage, which is, after all, just the antural one. Why make=20
#weird problems?
#
#<If you're talking about the value rather than the function, then I'd have
#thought ordinary bogstandard "LE mamta be ko'a" does the job.>
#
#But I want to talk about the course of values, if you will, and so I used =
the=20
#natural extension of that standard to get away from one individual to a=20
#range of individuals: {le mamta be ce'u}. Thanks for the support.

When we began this discussion about {le mamta be ce'u} you said "How
else can we talk about functions?". We now have an answer to this, it
seems: by using a lujvo meaning 'function'.

So we're left with the question of whether {le mamta be ce'u} is permissibl=
e=20
in main clauses. Jorge and I have stated why we think it isn't.

--And.