From pycyn@aol.com Wed Oct 03 17:29:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 4 Oct 2001 00:29:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 695 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2001 00:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Oct 2001 00:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Oct 2001 00:29:52 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.14b.1eefa7c (3852) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14b.1eefa7c.28ed077a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:29:46 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] fancu To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14b.1eefa7c.28ed077a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_14b.1eefa7c.28ed077a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/3/2001 6:42:45 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > Yes, I have always been on the set-of-answers camp, though I've > Gee, I wish you had said that before, rather than all the things that sound like the what-fills-the-makau-gap version, e.g. that {le du'u makau mamta ceu} is the mother-of function or that my sets had to be wrong becaue they were not { George, Fred, ....}. Sorry I misunderstood, but you did not make it easy to see your point. At the best it was the fill-the-gap view, at worst it was the right-answer view. And now I am trying to figure out how to take all you say to be a regular set-of-answers view (in Lojban it actually works better to use "property of answers"). It ain't easy, but I'll take it that you mean all the propositions that have the property of being answers to the stated question (how could you ahve said that was a function to the makau-gap-filler?) I think you are right, by the way, that at some point I shifted from sets to properties and thus used the wrong gadri for awhile. That can't have helped either --part1_14b.1eefa7c.28ed077a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/3/2001 6:42:45 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


Yes, I have always been on the set-of-answers camp, though I've
never been able to give And a suitable formalization.


Gee, I wish you had said that before, rather than all the things that sound like the what-fills-the-makau-gap version, e.g. that {le du'u makau mamta ceu} is the mother-of function or that my sets had to be wrong becaue they were not { George, Fred, ....}.  Sorry I misunderstood, but you did not make it easy to see your point.  At the best it was the fill-the-gap view, at worst it was the right-answer view.  And now I am trying to figure out how to take all you say to be a regular set-of-answers view (in Lojban it actually works better to use "property of answers").  It ain't easy, but I'll take it that you mean all the propositions that have the property of being answers to the stated question (how could you ahve said that was a function to the makau-gap-filler?)
I think you are right, by the way, that at some point I shifted from sets to properties and thus used the wrong gadri for awhile. That can't have helped either --part1_14b.1eefa7c.28ed077a_boundary--