From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Oct 03 20:24:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 4 Oct 2001 03:24:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 65521 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2001 03:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 4 Oct 2001 03:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.157) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Oct 2001 03:24:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:24:54 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 03:24:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.35] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] fancu Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 03:24:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 03:24:54.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[229E5380:01C14C84] From: "Jorge Llambias" Let's consider these four objects: 1- le du'u li xa sumji li vo li re "(the fact) that 6 is the sum of 4 and 2" 2- le du'u makau sumji li vo li re "what the sum of 4 and 2 is" 3- le du'u ce'u sumji ce'u ce'u "(the rel. between x, y and z) that z is the sum of x and y" 4- le du'u makau sumji ce'u ce'u "what the sum of x and y is" We all (sort of) agree about the meanings of 1, 2 and 3. What about 4? In what sense can I say that it is the sum function? Given the values (4,2) for the variables (x,y), "the fact that 6 is the sum of 4 and 2" is what maps 6 to the pair (4,2). For any given pair (x,y), there will be a corresponding fact that maps that pair to the value of the sum. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp