From pycyn@aol.com Sat Oct 06 18:08:52 2001
Return-Path: <Pycyn@aol.com>
X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com
X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com
Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 01:08:52 -0000
Received: (qmail 88467 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 01:08:52 -0000
Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142)
  by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 01:08:52 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164)
  by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 01:08:51 -0000
Received: from Pycyn@aol.com
  by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.f8.10a5363e (4050)
  for <lojban@yahoogroups.com>; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:08:43 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <f8.10a5363e.28f1051b@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:08:43 EDT
Subject: Re: [lojban] "knowledge as to who saw who" readings
To: lojban@yahoogroups.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.10a5363e.28f1051b_boundary"
X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535
From: pycyn@aol.com

--part1_f8.10a5363e.28f1051b_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In a message dated 10/6/2001 6:06:27 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


> SA3a. la djon djuno le du'u makau viska makau
> 
> (i.e. every one of the relevant answers) but that wouldn't
> say that John knows that they are all the relevant answers
> there are. Now this:
> 
> 
And SA3b is pretty likely false, since it is unlikely that he knows -- even 
believes, even conceives -- all the true answers. He may know enough for 
completeness, and that would be the way I would tend to go {la djan djuno rau 
du'u makau viska makau}.
{le} opens too many complications -- things that are not answers and 
questions about whether John knows them as such or the speaker, and so on.


--part1_f8.10a5363e.28f1051b_boundary
Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 10/6/2001 6:06:27 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">SA3a. la djon djuno le du'u makau viska makau
<BR>
<BR>(i.e. every one of the relevant answers) but that wouldn't
<BR>say that John knows that they are all the relevant answers
<BR>there are. Now this:
<BR>
<BR>SA3b. la djon djuno tu'odu'u ri djuno ro jetnu du'u makau viska makau</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>And SA3b is pretty likely false, since it is unlikely that he knows -- even believes, even conceives -- all the true answers. &nbsp;He may know enough for completeness, and that would be the way I would tend to go {la djan djuno rau du'u makau viska makau}.
<BR>{le} opens too many complications -- things that are not answers and questions about whether John knows them as such or the speaker, and so on.
<BR></FONT></HTML>

--part1_f8.10a5363e.28f1051b_boundary--

