From pycyn@aol.com Sat Oct 06 18:08:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 01:08:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 88467 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 01:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 01:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 01:08:51 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.f8.10a5363e (4050) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:08:43 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] "knowledge as to who saw who" readings To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.10a5363e.28f1051b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_f8.10a5363e.28f1051b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2001 6:06:27 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > SA3a. la djon djuno le du'u makau viska makau > > (i.e. every one of the relevant answers) but that wouldn't > say that John knows that they are all the relevant answers > there are. Now this: > > And SA3b is pretty likely false, since it is unlikely that he knows -- even believes, even conceives -- all the true answers. He may know enough for completeness, and that would be the way I would tend to go {la djan djuno rau du'u makau viska makau}. {le} opens too many complications -- things that are not answers and questions about whether John knows them as such or the speaker, and so on. --part1_f8.10a5363e.28f1051b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2001 6:06:27 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


SA3a. la djon djuno le du'u makau viska makau

(i.e. every one of the relevant answers) but that wouldn't
say that John knows that they are all the relevant answers
there are. Now this:

SA3b. la djon djuno tu'odu'u ri djuno ro jetnu du'u makau viska makau

And SA3b is pretty likely false, since it is unlikely that he knows -- even believes, even conceives -- all the true answers.  He may know enough for completeness, and that would be the way I would tend to go {la djan djuno rau du'u makau viska makau}.
{le} opens too many complications -- things that are not answers and questions about whether John knows them as such or the speaker, and so on.
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