From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Oct 08 15:14:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 8 Oct 2001 22:14:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 21811 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 21:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2001 21:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.192) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 21:45:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:45:46 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.253 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:45:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.253] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: fancu Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:45:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 21:45:46.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[9697D100:01C15042] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >< >"Does John know whether you have stopped beating your wife?" > >1- "Yes, he does. He knows that I don't even have a wife." > >2- "No, there's nothing for him to know about it. He knows >    that I don't even have a wife." > >I suppose the actual answer is { mi na'i co'u darxi lomi speni} ({na'i mi ...} otherwise na'i attaches to {mi} only.) But then that supports my point. Or do you mean that to be the answer that John knows? I still think "Does John know whether you have stopped beating your wife?" has itself a presupposition which is not fully buried inside the indirect question. I would answer {na'i}, not {go'i}. >(by the way, >{darxi} by itself is not good for "beating" in htis context, nor is {co'u} >for "stop") Maybe {co'u ta'e darxi}? >The fact that a question does not meet its presuppositions does not make it >less of a question, it merely makes it one that has a peculiar correct >answer. One that has no correct logical answer, in my view. Correct illocutionary answers it has aplenty, I agree. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp