From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Oct 09 08:22:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 9 Oct 2001 15:22:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 20816 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 15:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2001 15:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 15:22:25 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:59:31 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:32:21 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:31:39 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] NU semantics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta Jorge: #As for li'i, there is even less usage. Apparently it was introduced #for hallucinations, an event perceived only by the experiencer. Discussion with John and Adam led me to conclude that {da li''i broda kei k= o'a} means that ko'a experiences lo ka'e nu broda as if it were lo ca'a nu broda= . It emerged from that discussion that ca'a =3D "existing in local spacetime" (for predicates that entail existence in spacetime) and ka'e =3D=20 "not necessarily existing in local spacetime". So, taking the Real World as our local spacetime, Sherlock Holmes is a ka'e prenu but not a ca'a prenu, while John Cowan is both a ka'e prenu and a ca'a prenu. In the fictional Holmesian spacetime, Sherlock is of course a ca'a prenu. --And.