From gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Thu Oct 11 12:14:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 11 Oct 2001 19:11:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 82796 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 11 Oct 2001 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta9n.bluewin.ch) (195.186.1.215) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 19:14:30 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (213.3.50.20) by mta9n.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.0.024) id 3BBD910300529627 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:12:50 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c15288$919d0060$143203d5@oemcomputer> To: Subject: metre for hamlet Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:32:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "G. Dyke" Nick has said that he could not really approve of any translation of Hamlet that did not scan and I kind of agree. (again) I can't be bothered to single out his emailad and your views might also be of great interest so I posted here. A lot of classical litterature tries to fits iambic pentametre. Lojban has several inconveniences: it has penultimate syllable stress (making it more suitable for trochees) and it is rather two wordy. my question is this: to what extent should le Lojban metre of hamlet follow that of the English? Here the second line of hamlet: in English, Lojban prose, Lojban verse: Nay answer me. Stand and unfold yourself na'i .i ko spuda mi la'e di'e .i gu'e nu nalmu'u gi cmesku na'i .i mi se spuda ko le nu nalmu'u .e lenu cmene cusku ku Is it worth addig a line and imposing unnatural terminators (I had put kei, but changed it to ku for added ridicule zo'o) for the sake of metre ? mi'e greg -- "I have a proposal for the international community: help us build an execution block ; then we will be able to use our stadium for playing football" *the afghani foreign minister*