From thinkit8@lycos.com Sat Oct 13 08:29:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: thinkit8@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 13 Oct 2001 15:29:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1609 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 15:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 13 Oct 2001 15:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 15:29:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: thinkit8@lycos.com Received: from [10.1.2.208] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2001 15:29:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:29:19 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: re : translation challenge: "If today is Monday..." Message-ID: <9q9mkf+62j3@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <001a01c153dc$f6d5c5c0$9b29ca3e@oemcomputer> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1530 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.5.121.32 From: thinkit8@lycos.com i don't knew about the rest, but i know "relday" isn't a lojban word. --- In lojban@y..., "G. Dyke" wrote: > Message: 22 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:08:33 +0100 > From: "And Rosta" > Subject: translation challenge: "If today is Monday..." > > > > >1. If today is Monday, then tomorrow is Tuesday. > > >[Translation should be true, regardless of when it is said.] > > {lenu le pavdei cu cabdei kei nibli lenu le relday cu bavlamday} > > > >2. If today is Monday, then tomorrow is Wednesday. > > >[Translation should be false, regardless of when it is said.] > > {lenu le pavdei cu cabdei kei nibli lenu le cibday cu bavlamday} > > >(Examples from a talk by Jim McCawley.) > > >I opine that these can be lojbanned using {mu'ei} but by no > other method. > > If my attempts break down because it isn't monday today, try ledu'u, leka. > If still... try lesi'o or leli'i. otherwise, we're missing a NU. If > suggesting today is monday when it isn't isn't an abstraction, I don't know > what is. > > I don't like {mu'ei} ! (I had written a long paragraph explaining why, but I > erased it 'cause much of what I said doesn't make sense - I suppose I just > don't like the idea of lojban not being able to express something which is > so obvious in natural language) > > Greg Dyke > -- > > "I have a proposal for the international community: > help us build an execution block ; then we will be able to use our stadium > for playing football" > *the afghani foreign minister*