From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Oct 15 05:47:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 15 Oct 2001 12:47:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 97398 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2001 12:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2001 12:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 12:47:15 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:24:14 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:57:16 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:57:02 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] re : translation challenge: "If today is Monday..." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta pc: #rob@twcny.rr.com writes: #> On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 01:28:12PM +0200, G. Dyke wrote: #> > I don't like {mu'ei} ! (I had written a long paragraph explaining why,= =20 #> but I #> > erased it 'cause much of what I said doesn't make sense - I suppose I = just #> > don't like the idea of lojban not being able to express something whic= h is #> > so obvious in natural language) #>=20 #> ... what? #>=20 #> Because you don't like the idea of Lojban not being able to express the #> subjunctive, you argue _against_ the thing which would make it #> expressible? # #I suppose the point is that Lojban can *already* deal with subjunctives; w= e=20 #just have not yet worked out how to do it. Running off after new devices= =20 #before we have exhausted the capabilities of the ones we have is a vile=20 #practice of the lazy. (I made that last part up myself). Notice that the= re=20 #are at least two solutions to &'s question provided within standard Lojban= . This is why I posed the question: to find out what solutions there might be within standard Lojban. I think Greg does best, by rendering 'if' as {nibli= }. I haven't seen any other adequate solution yet, but it's early days. Btw, running off after new devices before we have exhausted the=20 capabilities of the ones we have is a good way of framing the nature of the locution we seek, and a spur to the community to suggest solutions using old devices. --And.