From rob@twcny.rr.com Mon Oct 15 16:00:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 15 Oct 2001 23:00:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 13351 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2001 23:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2001 23:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout5.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.169) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 23:00:47 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id f9FN0ih06510 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:59:46 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 15tGiF-0000FE-00 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:59:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:59:59 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Rafsi for "nai"? Message-ID: <20011015185959.A843@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <9qfdji+latk@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9qfdji+latk@eGroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 07:32:02PM -0000, hfroark@bigmailbox.net wrote: > I am finding the absence of a rafsi for "nai" in > connectives problematic. > > As a tanru, "neuter" can be traslated "nakni najenai festi", > but in compressing it to a lujvo "nak-nar-jev-nar(?)-fe'i". > leading to "naknarjevnarfe'i", I wonder if "nar" is an > acceptable rafsi for "nai". > > neuter: > nakni najenai fetsi > nak-nar-jev-nar-fe'i > naknarjavnarfe'i {nai} is just a shortcut. You could just as well use {na'e nakni je na'e fetsi}, which if you make a lujvo directly out of it is {nalnakyjevnalfe'i}. But, though {je} and friends are very useful in tanru, I feel that if you need to use them in lujvo to preserve the meaning you want, you're going at it the wrong way. How about {nalcinse}? -- la rab.spir noi nakyjevnalfe'i