From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Thu Oct 18 04:02:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 11:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 25359 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 11:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 11:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 11:02:26 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:39:19 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:12:38 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:12:17 +0100 To: lojban Subject: krinu, logji and Reason (was: Re: [lojban] if lojban is logical, why are we doing the Bible? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Bjoern: #On Wednesday 17 October 2001 08:30, thinkit8@lycos.com wrote: #> the Bible is a great source of irrationality today. from gay bashers [...] #religious belief is no more rational or irrational than atheist scientism.= i=20 #would consider it rather unintelligent to hold religion in low esteem. the= re=20 #has to be a reason that the largest part of the world population attaches = to=20 #some creed or another. you err if you think there is no truth beyond=20 #science. Here's an interesting point of semantics. When tinkit says religious belief is irrational he does not mean there is no reason why the largest part of t= he=20 world population attaches to some creed or another. (My view is that religi= ous disposition is, like male sexuality, a hardwired genetically- determined variety of madness.) So {da krinu ro nu lijda so'i remna fa da }= .=20 So how *do* we express the opinion that religious beliefs are irrational? {= ro lijda no da se logji }? That's my best shot. --And.