From xod@sixgirls.org Sun Oct 21 10:25:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Oct 2001 17:25:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 50926 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2001 17:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 21 Oct 2001 17:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Oct 2001 17:25:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9LHPPj05960 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:25:24 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Broken Phone, round 2 In-Reply-To: <20011021132154.B539@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Rob Speer wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:38:06PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > ganai do djica gi ko mrilu fi le mi'a tavla > > > > "Either don't desire something or send mail to our talkers" > > Considering you're translating the idiom "if you desire...", why not > just use {e'u} or {e'a}? > > When we say "if you desire" or "if you wish" in English, we really mean > something more, since even without explicit instructions to do so, > people tend to do what they wish. It's really a mild suggestion. Or, > possibly, the listener would otherwise assume that you do not want them > to do that, in which case the "if you wish" statement grants permission. > > We don't need to take the baggage of English with us - since we can > translate "Could you possibly" as {ko}, we can certainly translate "If > you desire" as {e'a}. You are correct! e'a ko mrilu fi le mi'a tavla -- It's said that Mullah Omar has met two non-Muslims in his life. Others say even that's not true. Sami ul-Haq, Osama bin Laden's closest friend in Pakistan, runs the "University for the Education of Truth," a fundamentalist institution that educated and trained nine out of the Taliban's top 10 leaders.