From robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR Sun Aug 22 08:03:55 1999 X-Digest-Num: 218 Message-ID: <44114.218.1169.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:03:55 +0300 From: Robin Turner Subject: Elided selbri coi rodoi I've been having correspondence with pc for a while on the question of whether, and to what extent, one can have a Lojban sentence without a selbri. The Book is quite explicit in denying that you can simply miss out a selbri in the same way that you miss out trailing sumti, for example (p. 158). However, there exist sentences, or sentence fragments, without selbri, e.g. lo smuci .i lo forca (p. 154) The sentence in question is in the draft of my Lesson 7 ( http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin/lesson7.html ) which reads caku la djiotis. goi ko'i mo'ine'i Here I omit the selbri since {mo'ine'i} implies coming in, and Jyoti's manner of coming is not important, but this contradicts the ruling on p. 158. I could add {co'e}, but this would be almost as long as simply saying caku la djiotis. goi ko'i klama le barja and I wanted to get a directional tense in to reinforce the stuff in the previous lesson. What do people think? BTW, I'm working on the lessons again - slowly - after a long period of inactivity caused by holidays etc. I actually got as far as completing the broken Lesson 5, but this got lost again as well (probably the result of writing stuff on two different computers, one of which has two OS's, so I keep copying the wrong file, though perhaps there's just a jinx on this lesson!). co'o mi'e robin.