From rob@twcny.rr.com Mon Oct 29 13:43:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 21:43:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 12980 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 21:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 21:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout5.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.169) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 21:43:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id f9TLhch20818 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:42:44 -0500 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 15yKBI-0000Fg-00 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:42:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:42:51 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] observatives (was RE: a construal of lo'e & le'e Message-ID: <20011029164251.A879@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer X-Yahoo-Profile: squeekybobo On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 02:34:08PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > So anyway, it seems the rule for Lojban is that a zo'e x1 cannot be > elided. I rather hope you mean Loglan! I'm rather certain that Lojban does not suffer from this flaw. There's lots of usage which shows that a sentence with x1 elided is just the same as with any other place elided. As Lojbab said, the only difference is that putting the bridi first draws attention to it. If you want to indicate that some sentence besides a bare bridi is an observative, use {za'a}. -- sarji zo gumri fa la rab.spir