From ragnarok@pobox.com Mon Oct 29 15:07:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 23:07:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 28531 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 23:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 23:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 23:07:31 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.98] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A13597F5029C; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:07:33 -0500 Reply-To: To: Subject: SVO (was RE: [lojban] observatives (was RE: a construal of lo'e & le'e)) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:00:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: xreig >(Lojban text nowadays, it seems to me, is much more SVO than it was >in my early years on this list). >Odd, I am seeing a lot more SOV than before (am I just reading more xorxes?) and some considerable VSO (all too often without flags). We >were pretty malglico in that respect for a long time, except tfor the occasion "I want to write weird" type, who may have diminished a bit. I write vs, svo, and sov mixed; though the latter is rarer in my writing. When translating, since lojban word order is relatively free, I tend to keep to svo to match the original. Though see my hompage on wiki, I put several verbs at the end there even in translating {Anonymous, but I think it was Pierre}'s question about my pets: ''.i le mlatykai ratcu .a le blanu je kanlykai cipre xu se go'i''. I also do like to put modally added sumti together and on a seprate side of the verb from the normal sumti, when I have both: ''.i bai mi puzi binxo zo pi'e''. Which goes on which side is variable. S you aren't just reading mor xorxes, I've shown up too zo'o --la kreig.daniyl. '.i do cu vanci le ba panje xusra .i denci gunma le se gidva' xy.sy. gubmau ckiku nacycme: 0x5C3A1E74