From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 18:01:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 02:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18127 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 02:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 02:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 02:01:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:01:02 -0800 Received: from 200.41.247.32 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:01:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.32] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] a construal of lo'e & le'e Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:01:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 02:01:02.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA6B8E00:01C160E6] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e > > I am not commenting on the lo'e/le'e construal because I agree > > with it completely. > >With whose version, and if with And's, can you explain it, please? I doubt I could make a better job of it than he did, I found his exposition clear enough. > (The last >round he said that {lo'e broda} was abstract Is {lo'e broda}, construed as "the typical", abstract? I think the prototype/myopic-singular is as abstract or not as is the typical. I have no problem with {lo'e tanxe cu dacti}, "boxes are material objects", and I suppose you wouldn't object to saying that "the typical box is a material object", so are they material objects or are they abstract? On the other hand, there certainly is abstraction going on when thinking of the generic/prototype/ myopically singular box, as much as in thinking of the average box. >but did not have properties that >no broda had!) I think it can have properties that no broda has by itself. For example, we can talk about it when not talking about any broda by itself. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp