From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 06:39:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 14:39:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 71185 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 14:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 14:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 14:39:45 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:16:20 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:50:52 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:50:21 +0000 To: pycyn , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] observatives (was RE: a construal of lo'e & le'e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin >>> 10/29/01 09:20pm >>> #arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes: #> (Lojban text nowadays, it seems to me, is much more SVO than it was=20 # #Odd, I am seeing a lot more SOV than before (am I just reading more xorxes= ?)=20 #and some considerable VSO (all too often without flags). We were pretty=20 #malglico in that respect for a long time, except tfor the occasion "I want= to=20 #write weird" type, who may have diminished a bit. I don't read enough text -- certainly less than you -- to be confident of my impressions. It would be interesting to see pukka statistics, if anybody can be bothered to assemble them. SVO isn't necessarily malglico. If your preference, as mine is, is for VSO, but you get annoyed by having to fa-tag the S, then the next closest thing to VSO without fa tags is SVO. I do hate the rule that makes the first sumti in a selbri-initial bridi the x2, though. Speaking of word-order, another thing I wish for is a SE converter that moves a nonx1 to x1 and then shuffles all other places along one. I find I need that more often than standard SE conversion. --And.