From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 09:05:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 17:05:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 17910 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 17:05:32 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:42:08 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:16:40 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:16:06 +0000 To: pycyn , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] SE--FA interaction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin >>> 10/30/01 09:56pm >>> #arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes: # Has anybody ever bothered to do this before & written up the results?> # #I don't understand the two cases. The position of the selbri seems=20 #irrelevant except when before the first occurring sumti, where it will for= ce=20 #a {fa} on the first sumti if it were the first place (it would be required= =20 #anyhow if it were any ohter).=20=20 So there are two relevant possible positions.=20 #Case ii looks to be just like case i with all=20 #the places moved up -- and so one more complex FA and one more complex SE = to=20 #handle 6-place predicates. #Does easiest mean "fewest ordering words", "fewest ordering syllable" or=20 #"conceptually simplest devise"? The latter is almost always going to be F= A=20 #plain, except otherwise unmodified SE. All of those. The optimal balance of brevity and conceptual simplicity. To me, the balance is not obvious. On the one hand I try to avoid fa tags when they are evitable, while on the other hand my mind gets all tangled up by place structure rules. --And.