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To: pycyn <pycyn@aol.com>, lojban <lojban@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] SE--FA interaction
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From: And Rosta <arosta@uclan.ac.uk>
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>>> <pycyn@aol.com> 10/30/01 09:56pm >>>
#arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes:
#<The discussion of word orders has prompted me to revive a once-abandoned
#exercise of working out the easiest way to order 5 sumti places (i) in a b=
ridi
#for each relevant possible position of the selbri, and (ii) in a sumti tai=
l=20
#(where
#selbri position is fixed and x1 can't be fa-tagged).
#
#> Has anybody ever bothered to do this before & written up the results?>
#
#I don't understand the two cases. The position of the selbri seems=20
#irrelevant except when before the first occurring sumti, where it will for=
ce=20
#a {fa} on the first sumti if it were the first place (it would be required=
=20
#anyhow if it were any ohter).=20=20

So there are two relevant possible positions.=20

#Case ii looks to be just like case i with all=20
#the places moved up -- and so one more complex FA and one more complex SE =
to=20
#handle 6-place predicates.
#Does easiest mean "fewest ordering words", "fewest ordering syllable" or=20
#"conceptually simplest devise"? The latter is almost always going to be F=
A=20
#plain, except otherwise unmodified SE.

All of those. The optimal balance of brevity and conceptual simplicity. To
me, the balance is not obvious. On the one hand I try to avoid fa tags
when they are evitable, while on the other hand my mind gets all tangled
up by place structure rules.

--And.