From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Oct 31 11:05:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 19:05:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 88082 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 19:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 19:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 19:05:22 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (209-8-89-79.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.79]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9VJ5KC57750 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:05:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011030173128.00e56c50@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:37:50 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] a construal of lo'e & le'e In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:01 AM 10/30/01 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > (The last > >round he said that {lo'e broda} was abstract > >Is {lo'e broda}, construed as "the typical", abstract? I think >the prototype/myopic-singular is as abstract or not as is the typical. >I have no problem with {lo'e tanxe cu dacti}, "boxes are material >objects", and I suppose you wouldn't object to saying that "the >typical box is a material object", so are they material objects >or are they abstract? On the other hand, there certainly is >abstraction going on when thinking of the generic/prototype/ >myopically singular box, as much as in thinking of the average >box. > > >but did not have properties that > >no broda had!) > >I think it can have properties that no broda has by itself. >For example, we can talk about it when not talking about >any broda by itself. My attempt at formulating this, probably foredoomed, since I will use the disputed words, is that lo'e broda is any object (which may or may not exist) that possesses the necessary properties "lo ka ce'u broda" (Something me wants to put "ce'uxipa ka ce'uxire broda", the necessary properties being the xipa, and the xire being the "da poi broda", but I don't know how to do this clearly mixing the two languages). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org