From pycyn@aol.com Thu Nov 01 01:32:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 09:32:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 39206 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 09:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 09:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 09:32:07 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.12d.6e1bc15 (4555) for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:32:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12d.6e1bc15.29127093@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:32:03 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] SE--FA interaction To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.6e1bc15.29127093_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_12d.6e1bc15.29127093_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/2001 11:06:05 AM Central Standard Time, arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes: > #Does easiest mean "fewest ordering words", "fewest ordering syllable" or > #"conceptually simplest devise"? The latter is almost always going to be > FA > #plain, except otherwise unmodified SE. > > All of those. The optimal balance of brevity and conceptual simplicity. To > me, the balance is not obvious. On the one hand I try to avoid fa tags > when they are evitable, while on the other hand my mind gets all tangled > up by place structure rules. > FA tags are conceptually simplest, since they tell you what the place is fairly directly. SE is often remote and muddling. Complex SE, unless there is an easily recognizable pattern ( I think there were some, but I don't remember how they go), is hopeless. Clearly anything that uses more than 4 syllables is unbrief for 5 places, no matter how conceptually tidy it is. --part1_12d.6e1bc15.29127093_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/2001 11:06:05 AM Central Standard Time, arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes:


#Does easiest mean "fewest ordering words", "fewest ordering syllable" or
#"conceptually simplest devise"?  The latter is almost always going to be FA
#plain, except otherwise unmodified SE.

All of those. The optimal balance of brevity and conceptual simplicity. To
me, the balance is not obvious. On the one hand I try to avoid fa tags
when they are evitable, while on the other hand my mind gets all tangled
up by place structure rules.


FA tags are conceptually simplest, since they tell you what the place is fairly directly.  SE is often remote and muddling.  Complex SE, unless there is an easily recognizable pattern ( I think there were some, but I don't remember how they go), is hopeless.  Clearly anything that uses more than 4 syllables is unbrief for 5 places, no matter how conceptually tidy it is.
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