From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Nov 01 15:25:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 23:25:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 28068 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 23:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 23:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.64) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 23:25:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:25:52 -0800 Received: from 200.69.11.130 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:25:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.130] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] a construal of lo'e & le'e Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:25:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2001 23:25:52.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BEA8D40:01C1632C] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >How did prototype chat move from {loi}, where it lived for a couple >decades, >to {lo'e}? I think it was when collective chat took over {loi}. The correspondence with Loglan goes something like this: Lojban: lo le loi("mass") lo'e lo'i("set") Loglan: -- le leu("set") lo("mass") ---- Loglan doesn't need Lojban {lo} because it uses bare quantifiers for that (Lojban does this too, so we don't really need it either). In Loglan "sets" can carry logs, in Lojban "masses" do this. Loglan's "mass" is Mr Rabbit, which corresponds to Lojban's {lo'e}. Loglan is blessed by not having a gadri for mathematical sets. {le} is the same for both. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp