From phma@oltronics.net Fri Nov 02 06:01:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 14:01:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24493 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 14:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 14:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (216.189.29.245) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 14:01:13 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 238363C545; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:45:06 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: Re: [lojban] name of smells/chemicals Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:45:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0111020845050P.20884@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat On Friday 02 November 2001 08:17, And Rosta wrote: > What's the English and Lojban name for that sweet smelling chemical > given off by ink (marker pens & inkjet ink) and rotting fruit? > Ghosts of memories of O level chemistry are whispering 'ester', > 'ether', 'ethanol', 'alcohol'. > > It would be a bit weird to try to form a lujvo from se xukmi > plus both "ink" and "rotting fruit". Or would it? Maybe that would > absolutely and unambiguously zero in on the right chemical. > > Likewise for the chemical one smells (a) when opening a roll of > 35mm film, and (b) in the breath or sweat of someone who is extremely > deydrated. A German doctor told me it was [keton], which I took > to be 'acetone'. So xukmrketoni, or else some perspicuous but > fearfully complex lujvo of te kacma + djacu claxu remna + xukmi. I don't know what chemical is which smell, but there is a word "ketone". We have a paucity of chemical gismu and need some more. I came up with {gikla}, thus jaurgilsodna is sodium hydroxide, but could not find a set of unused rafsi with the right vowels to use for -ane, -ene, -yne. Aldehyde could be xaldrotervi'u, but that doesn't give an obvious rafsi for -al. phma