From jcowan@reutershealth.com Fri Nov 02 07:49:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 15:49:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 41141 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 15:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 15:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 15:49:19 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[192.168.3.11]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15867 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:50:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3BE2C10C.5060501@reutershealth.com> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:51:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011012 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: Re: [lojban] lo with discourse-scope? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan And Rosta wrote: > "An/This Englishman walks into an Irish pub. He goes up to the bar and..." > > Which Englishman? > It doesn't matter -- any old Englishman. > So not {le glico} then? > No. I disagree: I think this is "le glico (bi'u)" = +specific -definite. It's true that there's no particular Englishman in the Real World that you are referring to, but he is quite specific in the Joke World. > So what we need is a way to indicate an existential quantifier that has scope > over an entire text? > Yes. > And how do we do that? > I've no idea. I'll ask The List. If you want to do that, then use a prenex before tu'e...tu'u: da poi glico zo'u tu'e [as many sentences as you want] tu'u -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel