From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Nov 02 14:40:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 22:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 22579 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 22:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 22:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 22:40:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA2MeVb22805 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:40:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:40:31 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] da, scope, usage In-Reply-To: <20011102171927.B1527@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Rob Speer wrote: > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:53:10PM -0500, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > > Although Refgram 7.13 (162) says that a bound variable is stable until > > rebound, the details in 16.14 (410) say 1) that requantified variables refer > > so subparts of the referent of the original -- but for one occurrence only > > then return to the full previous reference and 2) that they are stable > > through sentences joined by ijeks, "theoretically a bare ".i" terminates the > > scope" with some further rules about shorter scopes and conventions about > > informally and formally lengthening the scope. > > Okay - I should have read this before sending my previous message. > > So the important part is that the part of the Book which mentions this > makes allowances for the fact that people don't give a hoot about scope, > so that {da} can retain its meaning, if not its pure logical content, > past {.i}. > > Which brings me back to the original thing I asked: why use {da} when > you don't plan to use it again, and only want to claim existence? Why > not {zo'e} or some other KOhA? ni'ibo zo ko'a na bapli le kamzasti -- "You can not stop us. We have this anthrax. You die now. Are you afraid? Death to America. Death to Israel. Allah is great."