From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Sun Nov 04 12:27:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 20:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21516 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 20:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 20:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 20:27:03 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.41.242]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011104202701.EDUB21455.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:27:01 +0000 Reply-To: To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: RE: [lojban] "I know you have a brother..." Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:26:18 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Craig: > >Most people want to do (1+3) as: > > >(4) mi djuno lo'e du'u (su'o da zo'u) da bruna do > > i zo bil cmene da > > >But this is logically malformed. Instead, I would suggest: > > >(5) mi djuno lo'e du'u (su'o da zo'u) da bruna do > > i zo bil cmene le co'e > > What is wrong with: > (6) mi djuno lenu bruna do .i zo bel. ra cmene > Wait, I have to explicitly state the zo'e. So I ammend this to > (7) mi djuno lenu zo'e do bruna .i zo bel. ra cmene The first sentence should have "da" rather than "zo'e" (not the zo'e is wrong, but "da" is definitely what is meant). Then "ra" is no better than "da" in averting logical malformation. --And.