From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Thu Nov 08 04:39:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 12:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 34327 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 12:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 12:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 12:39:33 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:15:51 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:51:37 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:51:20 +0000 To: jimc , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] name of smells/chemicals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin jimc: #> > Likewise for the chemical one smells (a) when opening a roll of #> > 35mm film, and (b) in the breath or sweat of someone who is extremely #> > deydrated. A German doctor told me it was [keton], which I took #> > to be 'acetone'. #> #> Acetone is a ketone, but I don't think it's the relevant one, as #> acetone is rather toxic. Probably some random mix of larger #> ketones. # #For some reason, when you metabolize fat a byproduct is acetone, and=20 #when a person is very hungry there's enough that you can smell it on his=20 #breath. I don't [think I] produce acetone when dehydrated, though I do=20 #then get bad breath from other odorants; however, there's a correlation=20 #between running out of water and running out of food, which may make=20 #people associate acetone breath with dehydration. # #To my nose, the odor from antique :-) 35mm film is other than acetone. If acetone doesn't smell like new rolls of 35mm film, then maybe it's not the chemical I was talking about. To me it smells like the breath of my scarletfevered son and the body odour of me with a malady that struck me down with fever each day at sunset. English vocab for smells is really really crap. It occurred to me that=20 Lojban could do better by a triangulation method -- pick dissimilar things that smell the same, and that will pick out the exact smell you mean and hence give the ingredients for a good lujvo. But=20 apparently not. --And.