From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Nov 09 22:09:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 06:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 91340 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 06:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 06:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 06:09:11 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (54.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.54]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAA69Ao57613 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:09:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011110010837.00d5a510@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:09:32 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] observatives & a construal of lo'e & le'e In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:20 AM 11/10/01 +0000, And Rosta wrote: > > Given your discussion, I would have thought that {la odisix} (yuck, > > ptui!) would have been the perfect thing for the prototytpe and {me > > la odisix} for "is a version of the Odyssey," so {lo me la odisix} > > for "a version of the Odyssey" You want an individual for the > > prototype and this is as close as you can get to that, and {me} is > > just about perfect for "is a version of." Only {lai} could look > > better than {la}, and there I fear we may have oversold the > > mass-prototype, so that simple prototypes can't work anymore (without > > a lot of reeducation -- which And might better be doing than trying > > to make yet another prototype word in Lojban). > >{la odisix} is indeed the perfect thing, IMO, and {me la odisix} >for versions of it. But this is no good in the present discussion, >because it fails to generalize to other generics. For example, >knowing that the generic Odyssey is {la odisix} does not tell us >how to refer to the generic lion. Hence it is important that Lojbab >find a way to refer to the generic Odyssey using "cuktrodisi". la cuktrodisi? If it works for one kind of name, it should work for any other kind. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org