From cowan@ccil.org Sun Nov 11 10:00:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 11 Nov 2001 18:00:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 50671 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 18:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2001 18:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 18:00:41 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 162yuT-00087H-00 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:00:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] "generic Odysseys" In-Reply-To: <9sknud+apu4@eGroups.com> from "graywyvern@hotmail.com" at "Nov 11, 2001 02:31:41 am" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:00:45 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan graywyvern@hotmail.com scripsit: > I oppose creating a special borrowing for this just because we are > used to skipping the author when referring to it in English. In > particular, this privileges the second meaning which is ignorant & > not "glorkable". The trouble is that Homer is simply he who wrote the Odyssey and the Iliad, and the Odyssey and the Iliad are the works of Homer. We have no independent notion of Homer, as we do of most authors. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Please leave your values | Check your assumptions. In fact, at the front desk. | check your assumptions at the door. --sign in Paris hotel | --Miles Vorkosigan