From xod@sixgirls.org Mon Nov 12 10:54:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 12 Nov 2001 18:54:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 82679 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 18:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2001 18:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2001 18:54:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fACIslD16647 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:54:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:54:47 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Introduction, and zutse/se sutse In-Reply-To: <20011112133346.A8718@cc96364-a.hwrd1.md.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 jspickes@etrademail.com wrote: > > coi rodo .i mi cnino ke lojbo tavla .i mi gleki lenu mi ca cmima le lojbo > liste .uicai fi'i djan. > Hi everyone, I'm a newbie to lojban, and I'm glad to be taking part in your > list. I've been fiddling with lojban in small doses for quite some time, > and I think it's really interesting and challenging. For those who are > interested, I'm a 26-year-old electrical engineer, and I've been interested > in conlangs for a number of years. I first learned a bit of Klingon, then > Esperanto to a pretty good level of fluency (which I recently used during a > 3-week trip to Brazil where I spoke Esperanto pretty much exclusively) and > now lojban. I especially like how lojban makes me really think about what > I'm saying, and gives me the ability to be completely unambiguous. It doesn't! It simply means that the grammar is parseable by a program. Experienced Lojbanists routinely confuse each other, and many structures in the language are definitely vague, like the tanru. > I interpreted this to mean that all stizu's (chairs) are also (se zutse)'s > (things sat upon). Not so sure I agreed with this, I asked whether stizu's > were se zutse's even if nobody was sitting in them. "Sure they are," was > the answer, with the subsequent discussion basically saying that stizu's are > se zutse's because someone can sit in/on them. If this is really the case, > I think something in my understanding of lojban needs to be adjusted. OK, let's say the stizu is a chair which someone has sat in, and which was designed for sitting. Let's see you define sit and chair. Specify whether a cat box is a type of chair. How about a petri dish? (Are the bacteria sitting? or standing up?) > Thanks in advance, You're welcome, although you probably have retracted the thanks by now! > > co'o mi'e djan. > -- I hope they confuse the two and toss away the lit flare while holding the lit dynamite stick as a statue of Liberty Torch. That would make my day- for at least a 1/4 hour. -- Fernando