From jcowan@reutershealth.com Mon Nov 12 12:48:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 12 Nov 2001 20:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 54218 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2001 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2001 20:48:29 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27363; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:49:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3BF03610.9040205@reutershealth.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:50:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011012 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: And Rosta Cc: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] "generic Odysseys" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan And Rosta wrote: > I would see "prenrmaiklu" as equivalent to "me la maiky'elsym" > (assuming that the referent of "la maiky'elsym" has been fixed as > "Michael Helsem") and the question is what gadri to prefix to these to > come out with something that determinately refers to Michael Helsem. > To my mind, the right gadri would be "lo'e", the gadri to use when a > category is being viewed as singleton, While this is not wrong, it seems overcomplex relative to "lo", given that lo ro prenrmaiklu = lo pa prenrmaiklu in fact. > while "le" would mean > "each of certain specific versions of Michael Helsem". It might also mean the in-mind Michael Helsem. If you recall, I once praised the acting of le prenrdjekniklsyn in _Much Ado About Nothing_, meaning in fact lo prenrmaiklkiton. -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel