From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:18:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 00:18:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 59628 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 00:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 00:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.34) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 00:18:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:18:37 -0800 Received: from 200.69.11.48 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:18:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.48] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Introduction, and zutse/se sutse Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:18:37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 00:18:37.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7BFB680:01C16CA1] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >{ka'e} is glossed in terms of potentiality "is >inherently capable of." The problem with this gloss is that it seems to be biased towards the x1 of the relationship. {ka'e broda} is a relationship. Does it mean that x1 is inherently capable of entering the relationship, or does it mean that x1, x2, x3... are each inherently capable of entering the relationship? I can understand a lujvo meaning "x1 is inherently capable of x2", maybe that's what {se jinzi} means, but it is more difficult to understand that gloss for a selbri modifier. >Now obscure as that is in itself (is, to cite a >frequent example here, a person born blind, without optic nerves say, >inherently capable of seeing because he is human?) Also, is a tree inherently capable of being seen by the blind? Possibility makes more sense as a function for {ka'e}. Potentiality seems more like a property of a sumti than of a bridi. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp