From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 08:47:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 16:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 39676 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 16:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 16:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 16:47:39 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:23:53 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:59:52 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:59:29 +0000 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Fwd: AUXLANG Digest - 11 Nov 2001 to 12 Nov 2001 (#2001-260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin >>> "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" 11/13/01 11:22pm=20 #For everyone's pleasure, from Auxlang list, here are 6 sentences to provid= e=20 #Lojban for. Since the topic is concision in language, I would be=20 #interested not only in the traditional rendering (which for 1) might be "l= e=20 #barda zdani pu culno loi cukta" but some concise form that conveys the=20 #meaning accurately but may not mimic the English grammar ("pu cukta #culno= ke barda zdani". Most of the translations are SAE relexes. It makes little sense to compare = them with Lojban. You could have a competition for the concisest SAE relex, or for which language can express a predetermined body of informatio= n most concisely, but the actual exercise you quoted is rather pointless. #Also if someone can make a list of the troublesome sentences that And=20 #and others have plagued us with for semantics issues, I may pass them=20 #along to Auxlang to see what others do with them. (Ceqli in particular=20 #purports to be a loglang but Rex May almost certainly has considered=20 #these kinds of issues even less than JCB did.) If those Auxlangers were interested in my troublesome sentences they'd probably be here on this list. If you give them a tricky sentence, they'll = just translate it into SAE and thence into their pet auxlang, and nobody will le= arn anything. --And.