From pycyn@aol.com Wed Nov 14 09:51:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 17:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 60684 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 17:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 17:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 17:51:46 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.85.12fbafa0 (4572) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:51:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <85.12fbafa0.2924092f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:51:43 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] normal vs average To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.12fbafa0.2924092f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_85.12fbafa0.2924092f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/2001 6:02:29 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > >Well, now that that is decided -- {cnano} for empirical/statistical notions > >and {fadni} for (dare I say it) normative ones -- what is the next > >question? > > How is it used? > > I know how to use {fadni}: > > le va tricu cu fadni le ka ce'u mitre makau kei lei tricu be le > se tricu be vo'a > That tree is normal in how high it is among trees of its species. > > x1 is a member of x3, x2 is a property (a function actually) of x1 > and also of the members of x3. > > But how do we use {cnano}? > Well, cnano = x1 [value] is a norm/average in property/amount x2 (ka/ni) among x3(s) (set) by standard x4 So x1 is a number, probably a {ni} in most cases, x2 and x3 are the same as for {fadni}, x4 probably talks about how statistics were obtained, maybe something about how {ni} were assigned, if that is not obvious. Putting a normal object in x1 probably requires {tu'a}, to raise out of the abstraction (though it might not be a genuine abstraction in the case of, say, salary). The {tu'a} may be one reason for the {lo'e} circumlocution for many of these discussions. --part1_85.12fbafa0.2924092f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/2001 6:02:29 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


>Well, now that that is decided -- {cnano} for empirical/statistical notions
>and {fadni} for (dare I say it) normative ones -- what is the next
>question?

How is it used?

I know how to use {fadni}:

 le va tricu cu fadni le ka ce'u mitre makau kei lei tricu be le
 se tricu be vo'a
 That tree is normal in how high it is among trees of its species.

x1 is a member of x3, x2 is a property (a function actually) of x1
and also of the members of x3.

But how do we use {cnano}?


Well,
cnano = x1 [value] is a norm/average in property/amount x2 (ka/ni) among x3(s) (set) by standard x4

So x1 is a number, probably a {ni} in most cases, x2 and x3 are the same as for {fadni}, x4 probably talks about how statistics were obtained, maybe something about how {ni} were assigned, if that is not obvious.  Putting a normal object in x1 probably requires {tu'a}, to raise out of the abstraction (though it might not be a genuine abstraction in the case of, say, salary).  The {tu'a} may be one reason for the {lo'e} circumlocution for many of these discussions. --part1_85.12fbafa0.2924092f_boundary--