From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 10:12:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 18:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 16742 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 18:12:36 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:48:52 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:24:52 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:24:21 +0000 To: xod , lojban Subject: Re: ka'e (was: Re: [lojban] Introduction, and zutse/se sutse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin >>> Invent Yourself 11/14/01 05:39pm >>> #On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, And Rosta wrote: #> >>> Invent Yourself 11/14/01 05:21pm >>> #> #On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, And Rosta wrote: #> #> 2. The "innately capable of" is open to the objection raised by Jorge= -- #> #> that it wrongly privileges one sumti. #> # #> #Not so fast. Which sumti is wrongly privileged in "ka'e klama da"? #> #> The goer. I assume on the basis of canonical examples that it is the #> goer that is innately capable of going somewhere. # #.ienai .i le selkla po'o cu selsnu=20 Not really. Ignoring the ka'e, your sentence says "you-know-what goes somewhere from you-know-where via you-know-where...". #.i ku'i le mulno ckini cu cumki #.i ko lanli "mi pu klama" .i le mulno ckini cu purci This is correct. ka'e should be similar, hence the objection to "innately capable". --And.