From rob@twcny.rr.com Wed Nov 14 22:21:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 06:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 50367 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 06:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 06:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.125) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 06:21:25 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id fAF6LOm09797 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:21:23 -0500 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 164Ft1-0000Zn-00 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:20:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:20:31 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Digest Number 1129 Message-ID: <20011115012031.B2159@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <1005772533.11067.41775.m2@yahoogroups.com> <002201c16d99$0f051620$d032ca3e@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002201c16d99$0f051620$d032ca3e@oemcomputer> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer X-Yahoo-Profile: squeekybobo On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 06:47:08AM +0100, G. Dyke wrote: > >maybe warm milk." > > **loi zmavifne titnanba .e lo mliglaladru ju'ocu'i bazi se benji ko'a mi > > > > Should fresher be vifyzma (vifne zei zmadu) or zmavifne (zmadu zei vifne)? Neither: it should be vifnymau, which is easier to pronounce. (I would say {vifmau} if I felt that 'fresher' were an important enough word to have a minimal lujvo.) I suppose this would be a good time to reiterate my views on lujvo. * Create a lujvo because you need to, not because you can. This would probably arise from wanting a short word to express a common concept, needing a specific place structure that only a lujvo could give you, or possibly needing to express something where only a single word will fit. * As an exception, it makes sense to make lujvo using common affixes which act on the place structure in a defined way, like {zmadu} or {gasnu}. * If you're making an uncommon word using a common affix, leave the uncommon part in its 4-letter form for clarity. {cargau} for "turn" is acceptable because it's a fairly common concept; {pungau} for "elasticize" would be dumb. Use {prunygau} instead. * If making the lujvo accomplishes nothing whatsoever, use the tanru. Example: {selbroda} -- la rab.spir noi co'e