From ragnarok@pobox.com Thu Nov 15 03:53:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 11:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 24248 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 11:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 11:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 11:53:21 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.98] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ACB520450092; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:53:25 -0500 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: new lujvo (was:Re: [lojban] Digest Number 1129 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:47:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >> * Create a lujvo because you need to, not because you can. This would >> probably arise from wanting a short word to express a common concept, >> needing a specific place structure that only a lujvo could give you, >> or possibly needing to express something where only a single word will >> fit. >I have come around to thinking that fluent speakers, who knew all the >rafsi would systematically compress nonce tanru into lujvo. I find myself >doing this with the few rafsi I know. I disagree. A fluent speaker would know the difference in meaning between the tanru and the lujvo. The lujvo would have a precise meaning and place structure, generally given by the seljvajvo rules. The tanru would be a beautifully vague but extremely expressive means of expressing an open-ended or somewhat atypical idea. Rather than looking for the exact right word to use, I expect a native lojbanistani to produce a long stream of gismu which together express their idea in an almsot poetic way. >Please try to create meaningful subject headers. I agree. If you get the digests, use the subject line the rest of us use - Number 1129 is meaningless to those who get individual mails. --la kreig.daniyl. 'segu le balvi temci gi mi'o renvi lo purci .i ga le fonxa janbe gi du mi' -la djimis.BYFet xy.sy. gubmau ckiku nacycme: 0x5C3A1E74