From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Nov 15 09:47:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 17:47:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 35952 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 17:47:48 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic233.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.233]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAFHlk775360 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:47:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011115124501.052aac30@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:48:00 -0500 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Why is there so much irregularity in cmavo/gismu? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:08 PM 11/15/01 +0000, And Rosta wrote: > >>> Rob Speer 11/14/01 10:11pm >>> >#> {xu} really ought to have been >#> in JAhA (the ja'a/na selmaho), so this is an example of a misplaced >#>cmavo rather than an example of a totally screwed up selmaho system. ># >#If xu were in JAhA, you would need a different word to question a >#specific part of the sentence (a feature of {xu} which is largely >#unexplored). > >If it makes sense to ask a yes/no question about a specific part of >the sentence then it also makes sense to affirm or negate a >specific part of the sentence. Just as xo behaves like a PA and >ma behaves like a KOhA, so xu should behave like a JAhA. No, that is an argument for all the JAhA to behave like a UI, except that then we would lose the capability for logical negation. My answer is that the strict question which a JAhA answers is not "xu", but ja'axu or naxu, but we interpret sentence scope xu to be the same as ja'axu. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org