From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Nov 19 09:39:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 17:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 45168 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 17:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 17:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 17:39:48 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:15:46 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:52:19 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:51:56 +0000 To: thinkit8 , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] i want my brain cells back! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin #>>> 11/19/01 06:45am >>> #i'm free of lojban! i finally got sick of basically one thing--it was=20 #more irregular than even english! i feel like i wasted way too much=20 #time trying to learn the specific words. just studying the grammar=20 #would have been better. i wish i could get the parts of my brain that=20 #i used to memorize words back!=20 # #i want my brain cells back! I sympathize. I've always disliked learning other languages because it real= ly does feel as though one's brain is being clogged up -- as if the knowled= ge is using limited disk quota, as it were. I've never made any effort to learn Lojban words. I've picked a lot up without trying, and that feels natural, as if it imposes no load on my memory. It's the same with Italian: I've tried studying it a couple of times over the years, but given up after an hour for the reasons I've described, but I picked a lot up from exposure, and that seems effortless. I can't see how Lojban is more irregular than English, even though I agree with you that if certain cmavo are supposed to correspond to certain gismu then it would have been better to tweak the gismu to make the correspondence regular. Anyway, you won't find a better logical language than Lojban anywhere. Yes it's imperfect, and yes it could be improved, but it's worth staying involved with it because there's no better alternative. --And.