From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Fri Nov 23 12:25:08 2001
Return-Path: <a.rosta@ntlworld.com>
X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com
X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com
Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 20:25:09 -0000
Received: (qmail 39862 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 20:25:09 -0000
Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167)
  by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 20:25:09 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47)
  by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 20:25:08 -0000
Received: from andrew ([62.253.91.241]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com
  (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP
  id <20011118034911.ILDB14952.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew>
  for <lojban@yahoogroups.com>; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:49:11 +0000
To: <lojban@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [lojban] Antipathies was le re mlana be le mledi
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:48:19 -0000
Message-ID: <LPBBJKMNINKHACNDIIGMOEEKFAAA.a.rosta@ntlworld.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200
In-Reply-To: <0111161227170R.03953@neofelis>
From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@ntlworld.com>
X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin

Pierre:
> On Thursday 15 November 2001 19:51, Rob Speer wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:36:59AM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > > I thought it a more implausible mistake because it (confusing
> > > dukti/dukse) seems more like the sorts of mistake us Lojbanists ourselves
> > > make.
> >
> > I disagree. I assume that Alice is fluent enough at Lojban that she
> > would not mix up root words that are the base of the lujvo - however, a
> > 3-letter rafsi which modifies it, in a way she's not entirely sure about
> > because she doesn't precisely know what the resulting word means, might
> > end up off by one letter.
> 
> Okay. Here are some possibilities:
> ctudukti: teach-opposite: heterodox?
> skudukti: express-opposite
> sfudukti: hoof-opposite
> sludukti: muscle-opposite: the other muscle in an opposing pair?
> smudukti: meaning-opposite: antonym
> snudukti: discuss-opposite
> spudukti: reply-opposite
> srudukti: surround-opposite
> stadukti: remain-opposite
> stedukti: list-opposite
> stidukti: cease-opposite
> stodukti: constant-opposite
> tsudukti: stout-opposite
> 
> Perhaps Alice confuses {stizu} and {stuzi} or thinks {sti} is the rafsi for 
> {stuzi} (it's not the rafsi for {stizu}; that's {tiz}). Or maybe she heard 
> one of the other words at school.

People tend to mix up word ends more than word beginnings, the start of
words being more salient for psycholinguistic reasons.

duktystu/duktyctu might be a good pair. It also has phonological 
plausibility.

--And.

