From ragnarok@pobox.com Sat Nov 24 09:20:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 17:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 85934 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 17:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 17:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 17:20:27 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.98] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A706268100D2; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:21:10 -0500 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] presentation of lojban Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:14:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <78.1e3ba921.29311653@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >Did it have any novels written originally in Esperanto, or just translations >(cf laopi pelxu ku'o trajynobli)? >Yes. Does Lojban? None that anyone can understand, but... >http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Lojban%20Rock%20Lyrics)?> >If all you need is lyrics, certainly yes -- most hits were translated and there were some original songs (not counting even the anthems) and >even the odd oper(ett)a and choral church work. There's music there, too. Download tsali's midi or mp3 of it and listen. >D >id anyone speak it outside of the (formerly >Volapükist) language clubs (cf Logfest [with the jboste and the wiki as the >analogues of the clubs, IMHO])? >Yes. The clubs were the starting point but it quickly spread to quite independent Esperanto clubs and to unafiliated people (the first >person to confront Zamenhof speaking Esperanto was not a club member). But how old was the language at that time? Personally, I would date modern Lojban from the loglan/lojban split, which IIRC makes it about 12 years old. And the first person to confront Lojbab speaking Lojban was probably not a club member, as I don't beleive there was a mailing list or wiki yet. --la kreig.daniyl. 'segu le balvi temci gi mi'o renvi lo purci .i ga le fonxa janbe gi du mi' -la djimis.BYFet xy.sy. gubmau ckiku nacycme: 0x5C3A1E74